@Francisco

Wie du sicher weisst, hat die Bacardi als sie in die USA abzog, alle Rechte mit genommen vom Ron. Fidel hatte jahrelang protestiert und ist gerichtlich noch gegen diie Firma vorgegangen. Leider har dieser Flohbart verloren und die Bacardi darf ofiziell den Ron herstellen und verkaufen.

lese ich da wieder mal verschwörungstheorien? .... bacardi hat seit ende juli offiziell das recht havana club in den usa zu vertreiben... ausserdem kontrolliert schon lange der franz. konzern pernod ricard havana club... ohne diesese würde fidel ziemlich auf allen flaschen sitzen bleiben ...

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Wie du sicher weisst, hat die Bacardi als sie in die USA abzog, alle Rechte mit genommen vom Ron.

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"el hombre blanco

Ich schrieb da vom Bacardi, die Rechte von Bacardi und nicht von Havanna Club

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Ich schrieb da vom Bacardi, die Rechte von Bacardi und nicht von Havanna Club

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Nein, du schriebst "alle Rechte mit genommen vom Ron"

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Zitat von Rafael_70

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Der von Bacardi gebraute "Havana Club" soll übrigens fürchterlich sein. Das dürfte den Verbraucher am meisten interessieren.

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fidel hat die marke auch nur geklaut außerdem ist bacardi ursprünglich ein cubanisches unternehmen


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Eben, die machen den guten Namen kaputt.

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fidel hat die marke auch nur geklaut außerdem ist bacardi ursprünglich ein cubanisches unternehmen

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Die volle Geschichte gibt es hier zu lesen:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051205/secret_history_of_rum



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The Bacardi building had greeted the arrival of Fidel, Che and the compañeros with a banner saying simply "Gracias, Fidel!" In common with some other rum producers, they had supported the rebels financially. In 1959, Castro's trade delegation to the United States had included Juan Pépin Bosch and Daniel Bacardi, two of the family's heads. Neither side dwells on these happy days any more.

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Bacardi was spurred into action when Castro's government went into partnership with the French liquor giant, Pernod Ricard, to market the renowned Havana Club internationally. Even though excluded from the US market by the embargo, Pernod was able to sell 38 million bottles of Havana Club in the first few years. In anticipation of an end to the Cuban embargo, it was gearing up for big sales in the United States. This was a challenge both political and commercial to Bacardi, which set to firing retaliatory legal broadsides and to the rediscovery of its Cuban roots.

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The original makers of Havana Club, the Arechabala family, had fled the country after the Revolution, leaving the distillery and the brand behind. The family did not renew its trademark, which lapsed in 1973, and in 1976, the Cuban state export company registered the century-old brand with the US Patent and Trademark Office. Twenty years later, Bacardi sought out the Arechabala family members and bought out whatever suing rights they may have had. Reportedly, Bacardi paid them $1.25 million after the family had spurned offers from Pernod Ricard, which was attempting to cover its back. Bacardi, happy to tweak Fidel's beard, began selling a rum with the Havana Club label (made in the Bahamas) in the United States in 1995, and Pernod sued. The case was going in Pernod's favor, as the Manhattan judge initially made her rulings based on existing law. Then the Bacardi family cut the Gordian knot. Using political clout in Florida, it got the law changed by persuading lawmakers to smuggle a clause into a large spending bill specifically to exempt trademarks nationalized by the Cubans from the usual international protections unless the original owner had agreed to hand them over. And of course, the Arechabalas had not.

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In the end, the judge broke new legal ground by accepting this retrospective and clearly privileged legislation as binding, since Pernod wanted an injunction against future use of its trademark. Judge Shira Scheindlin decided: "At this point, because plaintiffs can sell no product in this country and may not be so able for a significant length of time, they suffer no impairment of their ability to compete as a result of defendants' actions. Any competitive injury plaintiffs will suffer based upon their intent to enter the U.S. market once the embargo is lifted is simply too remote and uncertain to provide them with standing."

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Even so, the US patent office threw out Bacardi's attempt to register other names containing Havana, because the company was claiming a spurious connection to Havana, which could have confused drinkers who thought they were buying rum from Cuba.

When Pernod pushed the European Union into filing a dispute with the WTO, Bacardi complained, in a manner that almost defines the term "disingenuous" from a family that had just secured private legislation: "Pernod Ricard has pressured the EU into filing a claim with the WTO in an attempt to politicize a purely civil dispute. Bacardi views this as a private civil matter and one that is not connected in any way to world trade laws or the WTO." Others begged to differ, not least when Castro announced that Cuba could abrogate US trademarks, such as Coca-Cola, in retaliation. The WTO itself found in 2001 that the American law violated free-trade agreements, and the US trademark office has refused to revoke Pernod's registration despite even more litigation and lobbying by Bacardi, helped by alleged illegal campaign contributions to Congressman Tom DeLay, yet another politician who might be laid low by the demon rum.

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Perhaps the ultimate weapon was used when Castro threatened in 2001 to start producing a rum in Cuba called Bacardi. The US State Department, not good at seeing itself as others see it, promptly declared this to be a provocation. In the meantime, the European Union has effectively been bullied into taking no action to enforce the case it has won at the WTO. Castro himself has an occasional talent for expediency

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While Fidelistas may berate Bacardi for its feud with Havana Club, rum aficionados almost universally deplore the company for the effect it has had on rum. Gresham's law observes that bad money drives out good; Bacardi has achieved this with rum. Its bland ubiquity has been driving the distinctive rums of the world from the mass consumer market. It is the equivalent of American cheddar driving out the 300 cheeses of France. Its monopoly power has been used to keep much better, genuinely local Caribbean brands from reaching takeoff. The islands cannot compete with subsidized and tariff protected high fructose corn syrup and Floridian sugar grown by former Cuban barons, so their one chance to market a value-added branded commodity is frustrated by the transglobal black bat.

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Zitat von Rafael_70

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Eben, die machen den guten Namen kaputt.

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Komm schon EHB, Havana Club ist auch nicht gerade ein Premiumgetränk. OK man wird nicht gleich blind davon, aber das war's dann schon. Gut geeignet zum Mixen. Das war's dann auch.

Im Billigsegment entscheiden eh nur Werbung und eingebildete Assoziationen bei der Kaufentscheidung des Verbrauchers.
Man sehe sich nur die clevere, aber völlig bekloppte Bacardi-Werbung an.

Man könnte auch sagen: Die Werbung entspricht dem Niveau der Konsumenten....

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Naja, verglichen mit dem Fusel von Bacardi, den achtjährigen mal aussen vor, ist HC schon ganz ordentlich.

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'2 very different rums'

Rum lovers also may have a say in whose product comes out on top. Edward Hamilton, a Chicago-based spirits expert who has written four books on rum, said he did a taste test of the two brands of Havana Club last week.

Hamilton described Pernod Ricard's Havana Club rum that is aged three years as "light and dry and with slight citrus flavor." Bacardi's brand, he said, has a "viscous quality with a vanilla finish."

"They are two very different rums," he said. "I'd prefer to drink the Cuban one."

Still, Ramon Arechabala said he is "as happy as I could be" that Bacardi is producing Havana Club rum for American consumers.

Arechabala said his family sold the original recipe of Havana Club to Bacardi for an undisclosed sum and he now has realized a dream of being able to "sit in my back yard [in Miami] and sip Havana Club."

"It tastes like the one we used to make, even better," he said.

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Francisco, ich bin ja vollkommen deiner Meinung.

Ausserdem hatte ich vor gut 20 Jahren mal die Gelegenheit eine Bacardi Fabrik mit ICI in Voßlap zu vergleichen, und ich bin mehrfach zwei Wochen in den Sommerferien durch Schottland gelatscht, von Destille zu Destille sozusagen.

Guter Schnaps ist nie ein Massenprodukt, aber die wirklich guten sind sehr schwer zu kriegen und höllen teuer.

Ich habe auch noch nie 20 jährigen HC gesehen, auch nicht im HC Museum in Habana :-)
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"Bier lagert man in einem dunklen Raum"

@Francisco
???20 Jahre alten Havana Club???
Habe mir einmal den 15jährigen geleistet...

Eigentlich viel zu schade zunm Trinken!!!